TheDarkDemon

DragonCheesecake wrote:Don't forget about Notpad++. One of my favourite programs for coding

Sublime Text is better imo.

金剛デース! wrote:

Skype wrote:

金剛デース! wrote:A common misconception is that knowing html and css makes you good at Web design. It takes time and the study of many other principles.

You might just get away with running a site like this with 'base' knowledge. I found most of the skill came from experience.

technically you can get away with web design without knowing a scratch of html/css because its just the design aspect
im just talking about learning web development since that's the relevant topic at hand (although its not a programming language)

Wrong.

Web design is not literally just creating mockups in photoshop. That would be a graphic designer. It's using html/css(/javascript) to create websites. If you were to call yourself a web designer without knowing any coding language you would be laughed at.

The developer aspect insinuates they know server side code such as Ruby or PHP to add dynamic functionality, databases etc.

A developer can be a designer and a designer can be a developer. Both however rest on a fundamental knowledge of HTML and CSS.

Personally I've always split the difference at a web-designer being someone who designs content for web and a web developer being someone who implements it.

To throw my two-cents in - for programming I always found the Dummies series to have some great starting points for pretty much anything. Modelling and Reasoning about Systems is great for CS logic; and for websites I worship Don't make me Think.

EDIT//

Just realised you meant sites for programming and not books for sites...

StackOverflow for everything man.

Minifrij wrote:

DragonCheesecake wrote:Don't forget about Notpad++. One of my favourite programs for coding

Sublime Text is better imo.

Was going to say this too. Notepad++ is fine for a lot of things but if you're serious, definitely get Sublime Text. Multiple cursors alone makes it fantastic, never mind the extensive list of plugins and keyboard shortcuts. I use it personally and at work.

Elliott wrote:
Personally I've always split the difference at a web-designer being someone who designs content for web and a web developer being someone who implements it.

Perhaps in layman's terms but a web designer can very much create his own websites. Typically a web designer would not know languages like PHP, only front end development (which is where the jargon can get confusing).

Oh Jon you know me - everything's in layman's terms! ;)

And it's clients like you who make my life a living hell!

You don't know pain until you've tried to convince an otherwise lovely Asian woman that Comic Sans and Papyrus is not the direction a restaurant menu should be heading in

<marquee>Comic Sans is the best font choice any uprising business can take, wtf are you on about?</marquee>

comic sans will be fashionable one day

@skype actually i was wrong about that, so i'll cede to you there

that doesnt change the fact that you can literally teach yourself html/css within a day fairly easily to make amateur websites

i'm sure if you want to be a professional web designer you have to have a strong background in design and know your way around seo and whatever but afaik this thread isnt for becoming a professional, in which case learning html/css from some shitty tutorial is good enough

and anyone who's interested enough can move on to books on design and w/e

I never said that wasn't true, I said most of the skill comes from experience and doing a few tuts on the Web doesn't make you a 'Web Designer'.

Same way as writing a POST based login with passwords in cleartext, doesn't make you a programmer.

Anyone who's starting out fresh: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
For algorithms https://projecteuler.net/
For what the fuck is x how do i y : stackoverflow
Highly recommend this.

Skype wrote:

Minifrij wrote:

DragonCheesecake wrote:Don't forget about Notpad++. One of my favourite programs for coding

Sublime Text is better imo.

Was going to say this too. Notepad++ is fine for a lot of things but if you're serious, definitely get Sublime Text. Multiple cursors alone makes it fantastic, never mind the extensive list of plugins and keyboard shortcuts. I use it personally and at work.

Elliott wrote:
Personally I've always split the difference at a web-designer being someone who designs content for web and a web developer being someone who implements it.

Perhaps in layman's terms but a web designer can very much create his own websites. Typically a web designer would not know languages like PHP, only front end development (which is where the jargon can get confusing).

Never heard of Sublimetext until now, I already like the look more C:
Thanks doods!

I thought codingbat.com was pretty great, lots of good recursion exercices.

And when I code in java I always use eclipse, my university made all coding students use it, so I'm not sure if I like it, or it's an unbreakable habit at this point.

Unrelated note, creating a "cheating" hangman game with a trie implementation was gross and I never want to do it again.

Xin wrote:I thought codingbat.com was pretty great, lots of good recursion exercices.

And when I code in java I always use eclipse, my university made all coding students use it, so I'm not sure if I like it, or it's an unbreakable habit at this point.

Unrelated note, creating a "cheating" hangman game with a trie implementation was gross and I never want to do it again.

I remember this site, I have been meaning to start using it sometime. I like it a lot more that w3schools because w3schools seems like those youtube tutorials where it's "I did everything for you, link to the file is in the description, subscribe"

Why would you want to know c++ first, that would make a lot of people quit after they realize what lie ahead for them, they are better off learning python first because that is a very user friendly language for them to start at, and you can make some games via pygame.
EDIT: sorry for the bump whoops