GTSYankee wrote:What have I created?TheRavenHouse wrote:
Anyway, my thoughts on abortion are that it should be legal for any circumstance at any time during pregnancy.
You sure? You might want to rephrase that. About 28-32 weeks in the baby is considered formed. At least, organs, hair, etc. So, if we're arguing length of time as a factor for determining what constitutes as life, then "anytime" could be considered... well... not good. Let alone that anytime could also include a few days before the conception. In which case, it would essentially be murder. I don't like saying that, but the child is basically fully formed, brain and all.
GTSYankee wrote:What have I created?TheRavenHouse wrote:
Anyway, my thoughts on abortion are that it should be legal for any circumstance at any time during pregnancy.
You sure? You might want to rephrase that. About 28-32 weeks in the baby is considered formed. At least, organs, hair, etc. So, if we're arguing length of time as a factor for determining what constitutes as life, then "anytime" could be considered... well... not good. Let alone that anytime could also include a few days before the conception. In which case, it would essentially be murder. I don't like saying that, but the child is basically fully formed, brain and all.
Omega wrote:Now you're using philosophy with that about own value and that. If we are going to use that argument, then murder with gun should be legal too. In the end the value of the person i kill is just assigned by others, but he really is nothing but a bag of bones, muscles and blood covered by skin.
Mat wrote:That wasn't his arguement. I'm well aware that the baby is formed by then but I still support the right to have an abortion. I wouldn't recommend waiting that long but I support the right of the woman to make the choice when she's ready to. Regardless of any counter argument that I recieve this is my standing on the subject. It is the woman's body, and her right to decide.
TheRavenHouse wrote:Yeah, I get that, 'cept I don't believe that a human life has any objective value, I think we make our own value, and other people assign value to us. The brain is fully formed as much as a completely blank hard drive is fully formed, I will not weep when it is reformatted. I'm not trying to be edgy, I'm really not, I love humans, I think they're the best thing to ever happen to the world, but potential humans matter as much to me as anything else that doesn't exist.
If a woman wants an abortion, that means she REALLY wants an abortion, it's painful, traumatic, insanely emotional, and for understandable reasons, so if a woman has an abortion I think it's a testament to her resolve and desire to live a good life despite the bad things that happen to her, I respect that and I encourage that. But if you believe that these babies have as much value as postnatal babies, then I understand why you would find it a bit atrocious.
GTSYankee wrote:Mr Tosh wrote:MCToast wrote:If your against abortion, you should be against masturbation and condoms. It doesn't matter if there's brain activity yet, there would be if it didn't end up in a tissue.
MCToast actually has a point. What qualifies as a potential human life?
As someone mentioned, I believe abortion should be an option if the child shows signs that it has problems or if the mother is in risk of not surviving the birth.
I'm going to use a rough analogy here, but that's kind of like saying if you're against killing someone's dog/cat, then you should be against killing spiders or flies. I know this comparison isn't exactly on the same playing field, and that bugs don't form into household pets like sperm forms into a fetus. But, you get my point. As much as I don't like "rating" stages of life, sperm doesn't have the significance that a partially formed fetus has.
Although, I do agree with having certain criteria to be met. Mother could die in conception, child is immensely deformed, rape, etc. This seems to make the most sense to me so far. This isn't really a black and white subject.
GTSYankee wrote:Mr Tosh wrote:MCToast wrote:If your against abortion, you should be against masturbation and condoms. It doesn't matter if there's brain activity yet, there would be if it didn't end up in a tissue.
MCToast actually has a point. What qualifies as a potential human life?
As someone mentioned, I believe abortion should be an option if the child shows signs that it has problems or if the mother is in risk of not surviving the birth.
I'm going to use a rough analogy here, but that's kind of like saying if you're against killing someone's dog/cat, then you should be against killing spiders or flies. I know this comparison isn't exactly on the same playing field, and that bugs don't form into household pets like sperm forms into a fetus. But, you get my point. As much as I don't like "rating" stages of life, sperm doesn't have the significance that a partially formed fetus has.
Although, I do agree with having certain criteria to be met. Mother could die in conception, child is immensely deformed, rape, etc. This seems to make the most sense to me so far. This isn't really a black and white subject.
Daniël wrote:
The whole idea of masturbating being as bad as abortion is based on the foundation that you kill potential life human life either way. This doesn't say that all beings are equal as the whole issue here is that the potential of human life is destroyed. A fly only has the potential to be a fly and nothing else. This logic still goes up if you believe in superior life forms (which we are compared to any animal (in my opinion)).
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